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Post by ectheledhel on Jul 25, 2009 13:26:07 GMT -5
Do you think the Kaguya Bloodline is weaker than the two other 160 token bloodlines and should it get a revamp?
Opinions or suggestions are welcome as well. Feel free to explain why you agree or disagree.
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Post by Neji on Jul 25, 2009 13:59:46 GMT -5
Four Words: Insane DR and weapons
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Post by ectheledhel on Jul 25, 2009 14:07:34 GMT -5
And the fact that their progression is the slowest of all the 160 token bloodlines? +3, +4, +5 to attack and defense for Kodo and +2,+4,+6 for Uchiha......+1, +2, +4 for Kaguya....that is worse than the Bokusou who get +2,+3,+4. I didn't say uberise them, I said revamp.
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Post by Project Shieo on Jul 25, 2009 14:25:24 GMT -5
Yea but they get massive DR and Have a lot more health on top of that, and as you progress you still are massively strong, so Kaguya is in the 160 token area and it is equal in its own way to the other two
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Post by Tobi (Hitaku) on Jul 25, 2009 16:09:58 GMT -5
The Kaguya bloodline doesn't need to be revamped its just right you get massice DR and Hp like Shieo said
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Post by tobbe on Jul 25, 2009 16:43:45 GMT -5
Yeah.. its as OP as the other 160 ones. Taijutsu users are more or less useless vs a kaguya..having a9 DR to taijutsu is enough to fend of half the server.. definitly no revamp.
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Post by Karasu on Jul 26, 2009 12:42:23 GMT -5
That would be true, if there were a wave of taijutsu users in right now, but here's a fact: There isn't, it's all ninjutsu and medical, so 9 dr is nice, but the fact is that this bloodline isn't worth the 160 tokens because it's not something that can deal with change, extra hp and some DR is nice, and the weapons are nice, but the jutsu isn't even worth much considering that the ones worth getting give a chance for perma, and simply put the bonus to rolls and whatever else they get simply doesn't compare to what most others get.
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Post by Kankuro on Jul 26, 2009 16:58:51 GMT -5
If I may toss in my own observations They also have dr to ninjutsu i believe its about 3 less that's still around 6 which is a big deal when everything you do runs on limited resources This is not true, they can manage ungodly dex although to be smart a split is always better for gen defense. not to mention they get alot of extra hp ontop of basic hp between dr and hp most kaguya (who are medical) can outlast everyone considering their choice of weapons and the fact they don't need cp to use them, allow me to further elaborate The weapons, hmm, their permanent and they take absolutely no toll on the kaguya should they decide to use them alone, ive seen a genin kaguya deal 4d8 dmg flat, thats B rank ninjutsu they can deal for free, continuously throughout an entire fight, not to mention their b ranks tend to be nasty, they have a jutsu they can use to poison their bone weapons so not only do they deal that massive dmg they also poison you, a poison that can only be stopped by a B rank or higher medical jutsu or Ko, ill point out that there is only 1 B rank medical jutsu and that requires earth affinity, and it makes no sense to use it to cure poison as its designed to mend bones. it may be true the kaguya progression is a bit slower than the other high cost bloodlines but it is also true they have no conceivable weakness, where as Uchiha or Kodomo run on chakra and do the math when your a ninjutus user who uses chakra in every attack hit or miss and pay activation and upkeep costs and subs etc it adds up rather quickly, especially in a prolonged fight, again a kaguya may run forever on the minimmum limit of chakra, I knwo I have a kenjutsu user who uses 10 cp to get his weapons then thats it maybe if he gets hit (dex is useful) he will heal himself but thats about it for his chakra, Ill close, despite what you may think about kodomo and uchiha they are not difficult to beat if you know what your doing and use a little tactics, some jutsu cant be blocked, some cant be dodged one cant be subbed all it takes is the right combination of tactics, consider, if you hide for half your fight with a uchiha and kodomo their wasting chakra just maintaining their bloodline, if you dodge, heal, block, etc their wasting chakra attacking and if your attacking their wasting chakra blocking, its all a balance.
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Post by At on Jul 27, 2009 4:20:39 GMT -5
Honestly, the Kaguya's feel kinda neglected. They have 'uber' dr, which isn't so uber considering that I have taken damage in the 40's from non-critted a-rank taijutsu. 45-9=36= a lot of damage to take even with a +20 health if it's dealt out every round Or... kodos(strong) get a +5 to clan ninjutsu at strong and other then one cp upkeep, free defense and attack with ninjutsu. Kaguya's get +4 to dex(at jounin) and do not have any taijutsu clan moves, only bone weaps And Kodos bonuses =/= dependant on rank. Kaguya bonuses = dependant on rank. Kaguya < kodo A 160 token Kodo genin whipes the floor with a 160 token kaguya. And don't get me started on how OP the sharingan is. that thing should be like 9001 tokens. Kaguya needs more of a Taijutsu flair. right now it's great for ninjutsu which feels kinda wrong almost with taijutsu bonuses. And aky, that 2d8 they deal requires a jounin. Duel weild would deal only 3d8. Dual weaps is also at a penalty. And genin deal even worse damage then jounin. This was designed as a clan not a bloodline. I feel that a lot of peeps also haven't looked since the kaguya was cut to the bone to sub-sharingan levels. It no longer has a bonus to strength, It's now dex. It no longer has the game winning ability of defending against all attacks with str. It now has higher DR ( I think the DR was a static 2 to 4 before) It is STILL set up as a clan rather then a bloodline, and this needs to be fixed. (Maybe take the same point costs as aky's kodo to fix? 70,100,160?) Before this, Kaguya were pretty much unstoppable much like any person who has a sharingan is. Now Kaguya reads kinda gutted and more flash then anything.
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Post by valtorr on Jul 27, 2009 6:11:08 GMT -5
'sides, Genjutsu still does full dmg to a Kaguya ((and more and more damage genjutsu's are popping up))
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Post by ectheledhel on Jul 27, 2009 8:55:46 GMT -5
Yes, they can manage ungodly DEX, which they recieve at a slower pace than both the other 160 token bloodlines DESPITE the fact that those two bloodlines are SINGLE STATTED. WIS defends against everything, their is only ONE jutsu that is unblockable by WIS. Their are a number of undodgable jutsus. So to reiterate, Kaguya get their stat bonuses slower and are more susceptible to the attacks of other ninjas than Uchiha or Kodo. Kodo and Uchiha do not need to invest in any other stat, by being WIS they can defend against Tai, Nin and Gen. Kaguya cannot.
I agree with most of this except for the 4d8 from a Genin....that isn't happening without a critical. 2d8 if he is dual wielding, 3d8+1d4 if he uses his B Rank. Still mostly agree, though the A rank jutsu of the Kaguya is pretty much useless. And where Uchiha can copy jutsu easily and Kodo get a tonne of their own jutsu Kaguya get barely any and have to risk permadeath to even learn one (which I think needs to be removed). Now onto the Kodo. They get a chakra pill for free. Can defend with WIS for no chakra cost except maintaining their ability (1cp a round). And use all jutsus of their elemental types at a reduce cost. They have just as much survivability as a Kaguya, more bonuses to rolls and are able to deal more damage with their jutsus without having to invest elsewhere to defend against Genjutsu. Its simple. Kodo and Uchiha far exceed Kaguya while Kaguyas are the same cost.
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Post by kain delvin on Jul 27, 2009 10:38:18 GMT -5
yeeeeeeaaaaaa, no. ecthel kaguya are just as powerful as the others. so far all the jutsu's i've seen you do on your kaguya use dex, do tons of dmg, and require almost no chakra. nextly, i have yet to see an uchiha or a kodo genin survive being tied to a tree and then blown sky high by 3 paper tags. ok yea maybe if they were lucky they'd survive, but not with enough HP to just get up and continue on as if nothing happened. kaguya's higher HP, high DR, and bonuses to there dex which apparently all your jutsu's use, is pretty powerful. then combined with the fact that the two kaguya i've seen have been medics...there pretty much unstopable.
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Post by valtorr on Jul 27, 2009 10:53:39 GMT -5
Believe me , Kaguya burn through chakra at some point I would personally up the dex to +5 at Jounin level and change (or add) some Hijutsu then it would be good
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Post by Karasu on Jul 27, 2009 12:05:14 GMT -5
Gotta agree with Valt on that one, either bump the dex to +5 at jounin level at the least (or maybe at least let chuunin get +3 dex instead of 2 and still let them get +5 at jounin so that at least they increase by 2 at each rank like the Uchiha or Kodo)
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Post by renegade93 on Jul 27, 2009 13:07:38 GMT -5
The Kaguya have massive DR in Taijutsu and Ninjutsu as well as amazing weapons and tons of health and tons of chakra. Any taijutsu user is done for when fighting against a Kaguya. I mean look at what happened at the chunnin exams, nobody wanted to touch Keitaku. He survived three paper bombs that hit him all in the same round (due to preperation). Plus they has a bonus to his attack DC.
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