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Post by valtorr on Jul 27, 2009 13:24:56 GMT -5
Dr to Ninjutsu is not that epic these days , since most Ninjutsu attacks deal 25+ damage..even with 6 Dr they deal alot of dmg.
The extra HP is nice but in theory just extends the fight...and people we're talking 160 tokens! Uchiha: good at everything Kodo: Good at Ninjutsu Kaguya: okay at taijutsu..this should be good too
and you all probably think im biased due to the fact I have a kaguya but Im not.
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Post by Dm Anko on Jul 27, 2009 15:16:51 GMT -5
The kagyua won the tournament. In fact, every kagyua that has ever gone through the chunnin exams has won the tournament. It's fine the way it is. Your complaining about low damage at genin?? NO DUH! Everyone does low damage at genin. My hyuuga's doing 1d4 damage to chakra and health, for 3 cp a round! (2 gentle fist, 1 byakugan). And no other class will do 4d8 damage (32 max...A Rank damage, might I add) for NO chakra cost, and a -2 to hit. Per round. That means in say...4 rounds, they have done 16-128 damage. how much chakra did they spend? ZIP. If your trying to get a Kagyua beefed enough for a genin to beat a jounin, it's not going to happen. Even kakashi as a jounin destroyed sasuke as a genin.
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Post by At on Jul 27, 2009 15:31:00 GMT -5
The kagyua won the tournament. In fact, every kagyua that has ever gone through the chunnin exams has won the tournament. It's fine the way it is. Your complaining about low damage at genin?? NO DUH! Everyone does low damage at genin. My hyuuga's doing 1d4 damage to chakra and health, for 3 cp a round! (2 gentle fist, 1 byakugan). And no other class will do 4d8 damage (32 max...A Rank damage, might I add) for NO chakra cost, and a -2 to hit. Per round. That means in say...4 rounds, they have done 16-128 damage. how much chakra did they spend? ZIP. If your trying to get a Kagyua beefed enough for a genin to beat a jounin, it's not going to happen. Even kakashi as a jounin destroyed sasuke as a genin. It's not that Anko. First off, certain things for Kaguya need to be explained better. Like how the bone weap damage works. Another thing is that a Kaguya at genin only has a bonus of +2. Kodo(at 160 tokens) at genin can have a bonus of +5 to hit and an extra 1d4 damage to anything other then their free attack. Also, My main complaint is that their isn't enough taijutsu for a Tai based Kaguya to learn. In fact, there is no specific taijutsu for them. It gets a little vanilla after a while I'm sure. Also Valtor, 4d10 deals an average of 20. My s rank therefore deals an average of 14 against jounin Kaguya. Course de ubahstun is nice(while it lasted). Now it feels like I want a new S-rank, mine has just been replaced with a nerf dart launcher technique, but offtopicofftopic.
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Post by valtorr on Jul 28, 2009 8:56:28 GMT -5
So are you guys going to revise the Kaguya?
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Post by valtorr on Jul 28, 2009 9:07:45 GMT -5
This is how I would make them. ((everything in red is changed))
just a suggestion
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Post by ectheledhel on Jul 28, 2009 21:00:58 GMT -5
Agree with those changes Valtorr except I think 1d8+2 rounds is a little long. It should be more like 1d4+2 rounds.
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Post by renegade93 on Jul 28, 2009 22:40:06 GMT -5
+10 HP and +2 Dex at genin? You already destroy everyone I don't know why you need more...
I agree with the 1d8 return damage if you BLOCK the attack... if you dodge an attack then they wouldn't make contact with the bones.. and you shouldn't get an extra round to hit 4 people for taijutsu damage... that's OP as well... and for 1d8+2 rounds? That's a long long time.
Also a CON save of 23? You're kidding... a CON save of 23 is an easy fail AND 1d4 poison damage per round is pretty much end game with that +5 dex you have at jounin which you can use to constantly dodge... that's an OP move...
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Post by ectheledhel on Jul 28, 2009 22:55:50 GMT -5
You should go read the clan as it is renegade....Kaguya ALREADY get +10hp at Genin, the only change shown in that example is instead of getting +1 DEX a Kaguya would get +2 DEX at Genin, which...Uchiha get +2 at Genin, first rank Kodo get +2 WIS (70 token cost), Bokusou get +2 Genjutsu at Genin (70 tokens), Uskada get +2 STR and +2 CON at genin (70 tokens), Yuuhi get +2 Genjutsu at Genin (40 tokens, I mean its a Clan! Its not even a Bloodline!) are you getting the picture here? Kaguya is a 160 token Bloodline....160....its supposed to be powerful, its supposed to rival the Uchiha and the Kodo. As for the CON save, yes, I agree, that is a little high....but then I wouldn't set it lower than 20....a Kaguya takes damage for using the jutsu and 1d4 a round could be as little as 1 damage a round....its not an OP ability. As for the A Rank...1d8+2 rounds is too long, but for what it does as it is and the cp cost it is a useless ability...1d8 damage return on 1 attack for 11cp (that is its current state) or 1d8 damage to 4 players? That is weak for an A Rank...most AoE A Ranks do minimum 2d8 if not 1d20 or 3d8 to multiple opponents. Renegade, in future i'd ask kindly that you at least have some knowledge of what you are talking about when you venture an opinion.
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Post by kain delvin on Jul 28, 2009 23:00:29 GMT -5
etch, it's not 1d8 return on one attack... it's 1d8 return on all attacks for 1d8 + 2 rounds, and then in the mean time your also hitting 4 people with 1d8 dmg each round from your attacks so with your bonuses against someone who isnt uchiha/kodo your dealin aprox 2d8 dmg a round for 1d8 +2 rounds for the cost of 11 cp....thats a lot.
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Post by renegade93 on Jul 28, 2009 23:45:17 GMT -5
ecthe... you ask that I have knowledge on it well that proves my point further... they ALREADY have +10 HP at genin.. that's alot of hitpoints... and put it this way, You paid 160 tokens for a weak bloodline.. all that says is that you were foolish enough to do it. I mean ok it is a little weak for 160 but you are only noticing that now that you are playing one... well think about it... if YOU had knowledge of it prior to playing one then you might not have chosen that in the first place. I know I certainly would not have... choose one of the other clans instead if they are so great...
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Post by ectheledhel on Jul 29, 2009 1:07:12 GMT -5
Kain...if you'd read what I typed I agreed 1d8+2 rounds was too long....as the ability currently is though its a 1 off...you can spend 11cp to defend against a tai attack and IF you succeed you deal 1d8 damage OR you can spend 11cp and attack up to 4 people for 1d8 each....as it is, it is a useless ability. Having it usable for multiple rounds is a good way to make it useful and if you'd read my suggestion was 1d4+2 rounds though i'd say 1d4+1 would even be suitable. It is also only a defense against Tai....Nin and Gen still go through fine. And thank you renegade for calling Kaguya a weak bloodline, clearly you agree then that it shouldn't be worth 160 tokens or it needs to be improved so it is worth its cost. Thank you for validating my point .
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Post by renegade93 on Jul 29, 2009 1:23:20 GMT -5
Indeed it isn't worth 160, but instead of upping the bloodline, I think they should down the price and give the people who payed 160 a refund equal to the difference. I mean Kaguya shouldn't be a super amazing blood line anyways... they -were- wiped out in the anime after all even when they were all massed together right?
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Post by ectheledhel on Jul 29, 2009 1:52:36 GMT -5
You should watch the anime more closely....Kaguya were incredible...they were just dumb.
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Post by valtorr on Jul 29, 2009 6:09:31 GMT -5
note: Kaguya clan was weak Note 2: Shikotsumyaku Kaguya > was never beaten in battle..The guy could OWN! a jinchuuriki!? If it wasnt for the disease Kimimaro wouldve killed him.
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Post by valtorr on Jul 29, 2009 6:11:16 GMT -5
And no the A rank is OP now ((I checked with jeric)) You pay 11 CP and it stays active for the entire fight. So if you win the taijutsu defense roll enemy gets 1d8 DMG. Next round you can attack for people for 1d10 dmg. It didnt have a timelimit..that was the ''bug''
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